Officially and historically it is known as the Persian Gulf (and is its ONLY name), unforatanately National Geographic wants to change that!
Some people, especially many Arabs, argue that the Persian Gulf should be called the "Arabian Gulf". They raise two "reasons" for this: One is that, according to them, most of the peoples living around it are Arab(?!). Secondly, they "claim" that "Persian Gulf" has become something of an anachronism; because, according to them, the two nations bordering the Gulf Persia and the Ottoman Empire (who ruled the Arabs in the area) do not exist anymore (!) They claim that because the Ottomans have gone, and the state of Persia is now called Iran, the "Persian Gulf" today represents no "obvious" connection to any of the adjacent lands(!).
The two claims above, however have nothing to with either international norms or simply the truth!
First of all, geographical names are determined by historical facts and documentation regarding the place in question, not by the and birth-rate of certain nations that happen to rise around it! Otherwise, we would have to change the Gulf of Mexico into the Gulf of the U.S.! And after all, the supporters of the "Arabian Gulf" would better not even bother to waiste their energy for the population of Iran alone exceeds the sum of all other Arab states around the Persian Gulf.
Secondly, the "Persian Gulf" does indicate an obvious connection to one of the nations living around it: the Iranians. While the name of the State of Persia has changed to Iran, the majority of Iranians belong to the Persian branch of the Aryan race and consider themselves as such; they speak Persian (the only official language of Iran), and the vast Iranian Province of Persia is still lying above the Persian Gulf. Iranians have called the Gulf beneath their feet the Persian Gulf for thousands of years, since their first ancient Persian Empire. (So have done the most prominent historians of ancient Greece.) All this said, if some people cannot see an obvious connection between the Persian Gulf and the Persian-speaking Iranians, that is their own problem (of lack of general knowledge)! It is like saying that the English Channel represents no obvious connection to the nation living above it because the state is called the U.K.! Iranians can be Iranian and Persian at the same time just as the English can be English and British simultaneously.
Anonymous contribution needing NPOV and wikification
Historical and unique name of The Persian Gulf and its equivalents in different languages has been continuously in used since 3000 years ago in all languages, cultures, and all civilizations throughout the centuries and across the world. More than 2000 ancient literatures, books and maps belong to the past three millenniums, which contain this historical and heritage name are proof to the Persian Gulf as the right nomenclature. It was in 1952 after confiscation of British Petroleum properties by Iranian government that false and politically motivated title of Arabian Gulf was suggested by BP. then it was Roderick Owen (a British representative in the then colonialized Emirates) that for the first time put this suggestion in his book The Golden Bubble of the Arabian Gulf, This suggestion was later imitated by some Arab extremists and fanatic leaders and the BBC was first to support this dirty conspiracy.
Recent Distorting and denomenclature of the Persian Gulf name is not only an insult to the ancient cultures and injustice to the history and overall heritage of mankind but also an aggression to a universal accepted and established 3000 years ancient and heritage name. Assault to a heritage name is similar to the tragedy that happened to the Afghan Buda's statue and the museum of Baghdad on assaults of 12/4/2003 and all are criminal act. Persian Gulf, has been recognized as the real and rightful nomenclature not only by all ancient and past writers and historical nations but also by all modern international organizations and Int. societies among them the followings: 1- United Nation. Incomplitization and distorting this historical name, is an illegal and unconventional act and in contrast to the resolutions of the UNGEGN and UN Conferences on the Standardization of Geographical Names.
Converting this name by a new false name is a clear breach of international laws and regulations. If we don't react this heritage name will be vanished by petro monies of the fanatic leader in region. For detail in Persian language click: http://parssea.persianblog.ir Persian Gulf equivalents and synonyms = Mare de Persia -Sinus Persici- Mare Persio-Sinus Persico- Mare Perth- Mar Persiano,Mare Pers,Persiski Zaliv ,Persischer Golf ,Sino Persico,Pars sea,Bahre Fars ,Bahre Ajam, Perza Obol- Porucha Wan,Parsi tstsots- Persiste Habbugt. Persicus .Persicon Persique. Persicum. Parsitstsots. Persidski.
Many organisation use "The Gulf", not just British. DJ Clayworth 15:30, 12 Aug 2004 (UTC)
Quotation marks do not always imply doubt about a term - here they just mean we are talking about the name rather than the thing itself. DJ Clayworth 16:58, 12 Aug 2004 (UTC)
Historic Names are Essential for Perspective
The use of historic place names is vital to help people understand their world. Changing names to fit times and styles sometimes may be an attempt to hide or deny the past. Certainly, there is a lot in the past of every people that we might wish to forget, but it is neither healthy nor instructional to deny it. We are the evolution of the past. To know where we came from and how far we have traveled is important if we are to understand where we might go in the future as a global society.
The Persian Gulf has been called by this name for thousands of years. Indeed, the world also walks upon Persian Carpets, and small art is compared to Persian Miniatures. These concepts have a meaning outside the current name of the country, or even the country itself. When the names in the Middle East change again, (and yet again after that) we don't want a rush to erase our past, but to realize that we are the sum of our past.
Keeping the name Persian Gulf as with many other ancient names, is to accept that we all are human, that we have faults, that things change, and that who humanity was before was probably the best we could do at the time. This acceptance of ourselves through accepting ancient names is a foundation for self-respect which is appropriate for every nation, and every era.
Historical and unique name of The Persian Gulf with its equivalents in different languages has been continuously used since 3000 years ago in all languages, all cultures, all civilizations throughout the centuries and across the world. More than 3000 ancient books and maps during the past three milliniums contained this historical and heritage name is a proof to this claim. It was in 1957 that Roderick Owen, a British representative in the then colonialized Emirates, suggested the title “Arabian Gulf” in his book "The golden bublle of the Arabian Gulf" The suggestion was later immetated by some Arabs fanatics, distorting a 3000 years ancient history, resulting in an insult and an aggression to the mankind heritage, universal accepted and established ancient name. Recent misuse of this name is not only an insult to the rich persian culture but also an injustice to the history and the overall heritage of mankind. Persian Gulf has been recognized as the rightful nomenclature by all international organizations among them the followings:
- UN, United Nation.
- UNCSGN-United Nation Conference on Standardization of Geographical Names.
- UN Cartographic Unit Staff.
- IHO–International Hydrographic Organization.
- IMO- International Maritime Organization.
- IAPO-International Associations of Physical Oceanography.
- IHB- International Hydrographic Bureau.
- United nation Documents on geographical names.
- UNICODE- Encoding Standards Consortium.
- ISO- International Standardization Organization.
- IHA- International Hydrographic Association.
- UNGEGN-United Nations Group on Geographic Names.
- UNGIWG- United Nation’s Geographic Information Working group.
- UNGIS- UN Geographical Information.
- IAPO- International Association of Physical Oceanography
- UNEP- United Nation Environmental Program.
- WB- World Bank.
- ICA- International Cartography Association.
- UNGEGN-United Nations Group on Geographic Names.
Misusing and distorting this historical name, is an illegal act and in contrast to the resolutions of the UNGEGN and UN Conferences on the Standardization of Geographical Names. Converting this name by fals is a clear breach of international laws and regulations.
M. A.GONABADY Heritage Name Society
thank you . i saw all the document that u claimed i found the name such as arabin gulf institute of ... ,arabian gulf university of ...member of arabian gulf club of ... and etct ... it is very clear that this kind of sentences in UN document refer to the name of that institute and does not mean that UN and its agency recognized this new name for a body of water.thank you all.M.Ajam
Why my edit which changes the order of naming the local names for the Persian Gulf, and puts the Persian local name first and the Arabic name seconds immidiately changed back by some users? What is the reason for this? If it's the length of coastline, Iran has the longest. If it is the historical right, Persia (Iran) owned the whole of it for thousands of years. What is the reason for insisting on puting Arabic name first?
Another question. Why some users insist on calling the actof delition of the adjective Persian from the name of Persian Gulf as an unbiased act which promotes "avoiding the debate"? --Mani1 06:38, 13 Aug 2004 (UTC)
The fact that some Arab fanatics and certain British institutions like to use their own falsified versions for this historical and legal name is explained fully in the second paragraph of the text and those falsified "variations" are named there. Naming them again in the beginning of the text is superfulous and that's why I omited them. There is in my opinion no need to repeat this information twice in a text. --Mani1 07:24, 14 Aug 2004 (UTC)
Alternate names deserve to be mentioned early, so that people who know them by those names don't think we are talking about something else. DJ Clayworth 13:17, 16 Aug 2004 (UTC)
There is nobody who does not know the name Persian Gulf and only knowing it as "the Gulf". So I think mentioning recent fabrications, once in the article is enough. --Mani1 15:41, 18 Aug 2004 (UTC)
I agree with Mani1 one. Everywhere in Wkipedia the repeated information has been avoided, why some people insist that the information about the recent forgeries should be included twice in this article? --220.127.116.11 08:50, 15 Sep 2004 (UTC)
Hi Roozbeh. I agree with the User:18.104.22.168 that mentioning that forgery twice is unnecessary. You said usually they do that. This is no usual case. Here we have to do with the childish and silly act of some petro-Shaykhs who want to use their petro-dollars to abuse and change the historical geographical names. By recognising their "fabrications" loudly and putting them as legitimate "variants" next to the legal and established name of this body of water, we give those Shaykhs a hand in their act. If I spend some money to print a few books in which the name England will be refered to as the Persialand, would you consider to put that next to the name England as a variant in the Wikipedia articles? --Mani1 09:29, 19 Sep 2004 (UTC)
You are being biased here. Some people (not me) say that it's no forgery to call the place Arabian Gulf. Some people (not me) say that there is no abuse happening here, etc.
We are not giving hands to anybody. We also mention all the names of the Aras River as Araks (Armenian) and Araz (Azerbaijani). Are we helping forgeries? No. We are helping our readers to find that when one talks about an "Arabian Gulf", or "the Gulf", he is referring to the same "Persian Gulf". We also mention lower that some people (including UN) call the area "Persian Gulf". The reader will be able to judge herself which name she wants to use. If she's talking to a chief of state from an Arab country, she may prefer to use the "Arabian Gulf" name in order to make sure he is not offended. Who are we to judge? And if we do judge, we should start judging all other cases, most specially the cases of Palestine, Karabakh, Taiwan, Kashmir, ... We don't do that, because of NPOV.
If you spend that money and publish the books, I guess it will be OK to mention the new name together with the common name in the England article. But only after you published the books. Then, the new name will be judged based on its popularity and it will be mentioned that only a certain person in a certain number of books is doing that.
Please don't forget that I personally prefer to call the region "Persian Gulf". But imposing my personal view would be against Wikpedia policy.
Also you should know that in English language only in a few books published by the petro-dollars, the childish forgery "Ara... Gulf" is mentioned. Those are the only cases. Let us see whether you have the impartiality to mention that in the article! --Mani1 07:31, 13 Oct 2004 (UTC)
Why is Persian Gulf article listed in the "Arab category" of wikipedia? Can you please move it to Middle East or another Category more appropriate.
I removed this from the article:
Apparently the history-revisionist pompous condescending author of this page needs to take its own advice and read some history (and a spelling book for the discussion page):